THE ABSURDITY OF DENYING ATHEISM – about being pathetic in public

This is a response to a silly article that I found by chance when logging in.The author states atheism is irrational for various (well known and debunked) reasons, but what annoyed me was that condescendent attitude of “I’ve been an atheist so I don’t blame you, let me help you see the truth”.

So let’s start this.

First: you (author of article) have never been an atheist. A true atheist, and a true man does not admit mistake until his mistake is not made clear either by proof, or by arguments that he cannot beat. Now, proof, you don’t have, and if I can beat your arguments, don’t come back to atheism we don’t need pussies.

1. THE IRRATIONALITY OF ATHEISM. – This goes to prove the fact that you can’t deny God because you are not God. WHAA?? Listen kid, anything that has no proof to exist, does not exist, simple. You can start giving me the “but can you see your thoughts?” crap, well i can’t see my thoughts, but I think my thoughts therefore I exist, therefor my thoughts exist. Easy as pie. Your argument, that I can’t deny God because i am not omniscient has been torn apart in a Romanian atheist forum but i do doubt you can understand Romanian, or that God can give you a 1 hour course on Romanian language. Anyway, atheism believes in proof, not saying stuff that you really-really-really want to be true, and then start believing they are true.

The atheistic position is not logically impossible it’s the only logical position, and you can quote me to your church on Sunday.

On the first real, tangible, repeatable, measurable proof that God exists I will believe. Until then i will be doubtful.

You are using the “God is a different issue” argument (i don’t exactly know what kind of a logical fallacy it is) but I can tell you this: God is not an exception to the rule. He, presumably (from what you believe) made all the rules, so how exactly can he remove himself from those rules? Just to make these things clear: the fact that you can’t believe a giant purple frog exists is exactly the reason why you can’t say God exists without proof. And heck, we might still be able to find some giant purple frog somewhere. But we do seem to misplace this God person all the time.

2. NO PHILOSOPHICAL BASIS FOR ETHICS. This goes to prove that without God and his mighty murder inspiring/slave creating/bigot supporting book human kind would not be the… civilized species it is today.

First: Your God is not the first God of humanity. He ain’t. Granted, misinformed people have believed in much bigger crap, like the Sun God and the Storm God and killing virgins to please them. But guess what? Those Gods had rules too.

So, since people have survived long enough to get to be speared and burned at the stake for the glory of the God you are loving they must have found some sort of rules to follow. True? True.

You mention that old Nazi territory you Christians are raving so much about, I am starting to believe you actually enjoyed it. Yes, the Nazi regime was wrong. No questions there. But do you see the reasons behind it? Hitler was not an atheist as you state, as his dogma clearly believed the Germans were the new “God’s chosen people” and that he had to clear the world of all others. If that’s not a spin on Christianity in the modern times, and in a sick mind, I dunno what is. I won’t go to disprove the rest of this part, it’s just too badly written.

There are three ways to give humanity moral value:

Respect human rights!

Obey the law!

Follow your own reasoning!

Now, these are actually connected to each other, not separate things. They are like Asimov’s robotics laws, intertwined. If the law does not respect human rights, it should be changed. If your reasoning does not respect the law or human rights, change it. If human rights are respected and they still cause problems, modify them.

THIS IS TRUE ETHIC! The moral standard is not a bigot/slave loving/child killing God, it’s the Human Rights Bill. Read that, instead of the Bible for a while. Atheist my… foot!

3. SUPPRESSING THE TRUTH. – This goes to prove that atheists don’t believe in God because they are stubborn bastards who just won’t see the truth. Yeah, right! God’s proof is the fact that the world exists and you have to start believing he exists so that he can exist.

The first is called circular reasoning. It’s like saying my car works because the wheels are spinning. A car is not just wheels, and God does not exist because you say so.

The second is called self – delusioning. Yes, i can convince myself that Nicole Kidman is my flat-mate* but that does not turn my 30-ish male flat-mate into Nicole. Get it? I could also convince myself a mysterious person I never met died for me and my sins, but I would still ask “what the hell possessed you to do that, duuude?” So, no, i won’t make myself believe in this sort of illogical, irrational, unthinkable, unreasonable, unproven, unjustified Faith. And you can quote me on that too.

AMNESTY FOR ATHEISTS. – OOOOOh but we can all be saved (and brainwashed). “Wouldn’t you like to be saved?”

You know what? NO. If the after-life is what I imagine it to be it’s a big pile of nothingness. What you imagine it to be is a big pile of… oh yes, hell and tormenting if I don’t join you. Or, if i’m really, really lucky, after I waste my entire life bowing down to nothing and paying huge amounts of my income to some church, and repent, and do all those worshiping stuff you like, I might, just might, have some luck and get into a place where I will be forever bored. I truly prefer nothingness. At least it has simple and clear instructions.

STILL NOT CONVINCED? – I truly hope nobody is convinced by such circular reasoning. Just the fact you filled a good amount of text does not make anything you say true.

Other things: First, I noticed we share the template. I guess we have some things in common, like appreciating good contrast.

Second I noticed you did not allow commenting. I wonder why. I do hope the webmaster reads my ping-back and gives you the link.

*Third, for clarification: a flat-mate is a guy I share the rent with, dunno if it’s a good word, but room-mate was not appropriate.

Fourth, stop calling yourself an atheist, you were never a true atheist or you would know your arguments are… “wishy washy”

Fifth, I might have used or spelled some words wrong. I’m sorry, God-Spell-Check, won’t talk to me. I denied him too.

In the end I truly must say i agree with Faith. Faith in yourself, faith that you can be a better person, faith that you can do more for others, faith that changing the world starts with you, faith that you are beautiful and strong and unique, faith that others are exactly the same and that you should appreciate each person, faith that your life has a purpose that you must find that purpose yourself, faith that your pet is the greatest animal on earth and your kids the smartest beasts ever to walk the earth.

All the above are good faiths. But anything that rejects reason, anything that denies what you can see, experience, or learn from proof is not good Faith.

Happy God Denying!